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Racism in Gotha
09-04-2017, 07:34 PM (This post was last modified: 09-04-2017 07:42 PM by Brian von Gotha.)
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RE: Racism in Gotha
(09-01-2017 11:26 PM)DiscoPickles Wrote:  Slavery wasn't a particularly racial thing until pretty late in human history.

I agree. It seems that if you were unfortunate enough to be captured, transported and sold off... then you were a slave.. it didn't have much to do with race.

That said. I think racism is a given. Gothan's are essentially human beings - and generally (instinctively?) not fond of those that are unlike their own type/clan/tribe/race. This is ours, not yours. IMO it's probably inherent among gothans to some extent unless that region has developed otherwise for whatever reason.

Some are probably 'racist' as a matter of convenience - those below them in terms of conquest would probably occupy a lower status... or perhaps just a reason to wipe clean the slate for colonization... Helreich isn't shy about cleaning up the 'lesser' previous occupants of a new possession, and i doubt some other nations would be either.... especially if there are prized resources at stake.

We already have colonialism happening.. which as someone said probably goes hand in hand with some sort of racial issues...
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09-05-2017, 04:55 PM
Post: #12
RE: Racism in Gotha
(09-04-2017 07:34 PM)Brian von Gotha Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 11:26 PM)DiscoPickles Wrote:  Slavery wasn't a particularly racial thing until pretty late in human history.

I agree. It seems that if you were unfortunate enough to be captured, transported and sold off... then you were a slave.. it didn't have much to do with race.

This hits the nail on the head. I am not convinced that slavery was ever about racism.

(08-28-2017 06:21 PM)August Dux Wrote:  ...it may well be possible that "race" as a construct never emerged in Gotha. Race is an entirely social construct and has no scientific basis whatsoever, so it's more than possible it doesn't exist here.

This is a strange statement that I heard often when went back to college. Just because social constructs are a society's agreed upon meanings doesn't mean that all social constructs are artificial or without basis in reality. Science itself is a social construct after all.

It seems strange to say that race has no scientific basis when geneticists can accurately predict whether an individual is white, black, red, or yellow. It would make sense to me for someone whose world view is based in something other than evolutionary science to be uncomfortable with the concept of race. If you believe that all men descend from a single couple created by God, then the idea that races are distinct and diverging would be inconsistent with your world view. But modern science does not hold this view. Instead evidence supports a polycentric hypothesis of human origins - European whites have Neanderthal ancestors, Asians have Denisovan ancestors, and Africans have neither. Add to that the idea that evolution is an ongoing process with ever drifting speciation, then you have a very real scientific basis for the true diversity in human populations that we assign the socially constructed word race.

I understand that two hundred years ago, many Southern and Eastern Europeans were not considered white and that "whiteness" in that case was an arbitrary designation. It would be interesting to know what race these people belonged to in the minds of that time. Certainly they were not black or yellow. The meaning of whiteness has certainly expanded today but it is unlikely to someday include non-Europeans. This is because a very real and percievable difference exists that make these "constructs" useful.

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09-05-2017, 08:21 PM
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RE: Racism in Gotha
El Jeffe Wrote:This is a strange statement that I heard often when went back to college. Just because social constructs are a society's agreed upon meanings doesn't mean that all social constructs are artificial or without basis in reality.

I don't want to get into a debate of this kind. I only said that in relation to Pep and Merrix's questioning whether race as a concept existed in Gotha. If it didn't, that might have been a possible explanation.

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09-05-2017, 09:27 PM
Post: #14
RE: Racism in Gotha
Fair enough. I wasn't looking for a debate so much as I was offering my opinion.

As for race existing as a concept in Gotha I think a world without racism is like a world without hunger. Racism is part of the human condition. If humans in Gotha are as diverse as in the real world, then racism exists in every corner of Gotha. I think a better question is whether institutional racism exists in Gotha.

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09-06-2017, 06:59 AM
Post: #15
RE: Racism in Gotha
This is becoming a discussion about semantics, and as a non-native speaker that is difficult for me. So, I dug into some theory. In biological taxonomy, race is an informal rank in the taxonomic hierarchy. Various definitions exist. Which also leads to different interpretations of what racism is. The word is used differently in a US and European context, which makes it difficult to export as a concept to another (fictional) planet.

I think we can have enough "fun" on Gotha with just xenofobia and self centered superiority feelings.

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09-07-2017, 11:34 PM
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RE: Racism in Gotha
I'm curious how it is different in Europe than the US.

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