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The Sriaav Overseas
09-25-2018, 08:49 PM (This post was last modified: 09-25-2018 08:52 PM by TeamBattleaxe.)
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The Sriaav Overseas
I've been thinking about how the Sriaav people, the driving force behind the long lasting, far reaching Kamuran Empire have left their mark on the surrounding regions of Davai, Raia and Altaia over the centuries. The Hanayakaav dynasty established an empire similar to that of the Portuguese or the Dutch in the Shangti and dominated the waterways of this region, interacting with and heavily influencing the cultures that lived near them.

As well as trade companies and military garrisons the Sriaav would have engaged in interbreeding in parts of Shangti and I imagine if contemporary Gothans could produce a genetic map of Sriaav admixture they would find a large blob surrounding the Shangti Ocean. In many Raian and Altaian areas these quasi-Sriaav would have adopted the culture and language of their mothers. Generally Kamuran sailors were male and they, like in most cultures, sought company of foreign women when away from home so you'd expect a large number of mixed babies added to Shangti populations over centuries. It's possible that some children of these relationships and possibly their mothers could be supported by their father's and even incorporated into his clan (having blood ties to strategic region and children of mixed heritage could be seen as advantageous to the clan).

I'm also going to be looking at the Sriaav settlement of North East Altaia, known also as the Altaian Reach - Aklanaavan Ri. Till the 75th century this region's history would have been largely shaped by the Sriaav and the Kamuran Empire. My conception of the ultimate outcome of this region is that the Reach secedes from the Empire in the run up to the Kamuran Revolution and exists for a time as a confederation of trade cities and communes stretching from the Lower Nuss around the coast to the northwest shore of the Shangti. The AR would be a loose union and ultimately a flawed one fraught with mutual rivalries between the various cities and communes. These divisions would be evident when the Wolgos appear and exploit these divisions following their destruction of the Aka'lam Empire and the chaos that ensued from that. A modest but united entity the Wolgos Hlrike was able to subjugate the Reach via forcing a treaty that was however still allowing of Sriaav cultural autonomy and personal rights.

Since this is geofiction and a powerful maritime empire like Kamura was always meant to make a splash (tehe) I thought it wise to turn focus on to these matters next.

FYI - Considering Kamura is not historically connected to Anarian naming conventions I've decided to adopt as the Kamuran name for the continent Altaia the name Aklana which is derived from it's Aka'lam inhabitants.
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09-25-2018, 10:05 PM
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RE: The Sriaav Overseas
Well, let's face it, if Kamuran is half based on RW Japanese and the Kakuri use some form of RW Japanese as well, then the Kakuri must have their roots in the Sriaav ethnicity as well. Or even the Ameratsu, since the Kakuri have dormant genes that can produce blonde offspring.

Talking about genetics, how much do the Gothans know about it? Chromosomes are a 1911-1913 discovery, exactly our timeframe...

Back to my dear Kakuri. I haven't drawn much history around them yet. They are a remnant of a larger culture, empire or league that got wiped out by the Julian Event. Whatever that is... so much stuff to develop... it's a megatsunami, that's for sure.

Question is, were the pre-Kakuri still in touch with Middle Era Kamura or were they already cut off by then? I would say the latter, since the Julian Event does not seem to have had an effect on history in the northern regions of Altaia and Davai.

It would be a nice historical landmark, having some Sriaav-ish ruling class running a bunch of coastal territories up to 400 years ago. And then having them washed away, paving the way for Anarian traders, colonizers and settlers.

OK, but that's just an exotic detail in the larger Sriaav picture.

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09-25-2018, 11:21 PM
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RE: The Sriaav Overseas
(09-25-2018 10:05 PM)Pepijn Wrote:  Well, let's face it, if Kamuran is half based on RW Japanese and the Kakuri use some form of RW Japanese as well, then the Kakuri must have their roots in the Sriaav ethnicity as well. Or even the Ameratsu, since the Kakuri have dormant genes that can produce blonde offspring.

I don't want to drag it out too much but not only did the Sriaav intermix with Samzayids, who themselves were travelling about the empire anyway, but the Ancestral Sriaav were traced from the same proto-Yaemic stock as Yaemic and Anarian peoples. This meant they have they own dormant fair haired genes allowing for a small chance of blonde, ginger or maybe albino offspring. Some small island populations within Kamura have fair-haired and light eye-coloured majorities.

Linking the Kakuri blondes to this genetic lineage makes sense especially since the Kakuri are obviously of West Davaian heritage and Kamurans are the most likely culprits.

(09-25-2018 10:05 PM)Pepijn Wrote:  Talking about genetics, how much do the Gothans know about it? Chromosomes are a 1911-1913 discovery, exactly our timeframe...

It's a 1930 tech cap yes? That puts some solid knowledge of genetics clearly within our grasp. How would these chromosomes have been interpreted though? Could you discern a Sriaav genome from an Aldsay one for example?

(09-25-2018 10:05 PM)Pepijn Wrote:  Back to my dear Kakuri. I haven't drawn much history around them yet. They are a remnant of a larger culture, empire or league that got wiped out by the Julian Event. Whatever that is... so much stuff to develop... it's a megatsunami, that's for sure.

Question is, were the pre-Kakuri still in touch with Middle Era Kamura or were they already cut off by then? I would say the latter, since the Julian Event does not seem to have had an effect on history in the northern regions of Altaia and Davai.

It would be a nice historical landmark, having some Sriaav-ish ruling class running a bunch of coastal territories up to 400 years ago. And then having them washed away, paving the way for Anarian traders, colonizers and settlers.

OK, but that's just an exotic detail in the larger Sriaav picture.

The Kakuri could be included in the numerous examples of part-Sriaav cultures as a result of wandering fathers. I see no real reason to solidly cut off the Julian culture from Kamura, if anything the edge or perhaps the outermost dominion of the Empire could have expanded to the Julian Sea at the very apogee of the Hanayakaav Dynasty. Few things have been known to contain a strong maritime culture and I'm sure Kamurans would have had knowledge of that region and been affected by the Julian Event.

If Kamuran is an Turko-Japanese hybrid language (the original Gotha Japanese though) then Kakuri would be influenced by Austronesian as it's been found RW Japanese is. We could have a narrative where some native women from the Raian Islands either elope with or are rescued by Kamuran sailors who then set up a trade company in the Julian Sea. This company need not be loyal to Kamura, it could be mutinous.....
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09-26-2018, 12:13 AM
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RE: The Sriaav Overseas
TeamBattleaxe Wrote:As well as trade companies and military garrisons the Sriaav would have engaged in interbreeding in parts of Shangti and I imagine if contemporary Gothans could produce a genetic map of Sriaav admixture they would find a large blob surrounding the Shangti Ocean. In many Raian and Altaian areas these quasi-Sriaav would have adopted the culture and language of their mothers.

I'm all for the Sriaav playing a big roll in the history of the Shangti region. The geography makes sense. And the ideas for Kamura's history you have sketched seem to work nicely.

However, the seeming Sriaav diaspora you have going on would only work if Kamura was exporting serious numbers of her people to these regions over a prolonged period of time. To affect genetic groups across the other side of the largest ocean on the planet to such an extent that they make up a significant proportion of the population requires A LOT of interbreeding. I'm talking invasion and occupation levels. Or mass rape. Which let's hope is not the case. You only have to look at historical empires, where centuries of actual occupation can have a minimal impact on ethnicity of the region occupied.

Also, for the mixed race offspring to adopt Kamuran culture is fine in small numbers, but I wouldn't expect that to go down well in their native land. I think this narrative would work much better if these Siraav multi-ethnic groups were minorities (who would more likely than not, considering the imperialist nature of Kamura, be oppressed minorities). Unless, of course, this is a recent imperialist move by Kamura to justify the occupation or domination of particular regions. Just a few suggestions.

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09-27-2018, 03:42 PM
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RE: The Sriaav Overseas
http://www.worldofgotha.com/wiki/index.p...aian_Reach

A history and short overview of the Sriaav presence in the region I refer to as the Altaian Reach which in Northeastern Altaia. Here Gothan lore accounts for Sriaav settlement of the region and I've written down that for centuries the region was under heavy Kamuran influence.

As to the current status of the Reach and the cultures therein, I'll have to determine that with Felipe. His existing lore on the Sriaav was written before my work on Kamura began and made some assumptions about Sriaav culture which I've diverged from.

I've tried to paint a picture of the development of the region prior to the Wolgos conquests and hinted at an advanced Aka'lm civilisation dominating most of the Nuss Basin for several centuries. I've also devised a sequence of events which would explain the fall of the Reach to the Bind. It's quite a stretch for the Wolgos to conquer millions of Sriaav.....
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