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The West Davai Setting
12-13-2019, 06:09 PM (This post was last modified: 12-13-2019 06:09 PM by TeamBattleaxe.)
Post: #21
RE: The West Davai Setting
(12-13-2019 02:22 PM)PeaceBone Wrote:  Hi, it's me, Samuel, I've just introduced myself on the Facebook group recently and I've stated my interests in the western end of Davai.

Hello Samuel, it's James!

Quote:From what I've read on the article, there's kind of an inconsistency re: Yan; the article starts by describing itself as a confederated republic; a concept I'm finding to be amicable towards. The autocratic "Da Qing" angle though kind of feels like an unnecessary spin just because of orientalist tropes (though Kamura's own system could've pre-empted some assumptions for the region proper).


I'm not surprised you've noticed errors since I probably would've slipped up with updating the page here and there. My concept was meant to be an autocracy a form of government that though not a prerequisite for the region made sense to me to be the prevailing form. What I did prefer is a Yan that was less influenced by Anaria and more influenced by it's own innovations.

Being a westerner who hasn't experienced much East Asian culture first-hand, I was at risk of being 'tropey' I suppose. But as I mentioned on Facebook, Yan is really a placeholder I wanted in place till a player wanted to develop it for themselves...

Quote:If you're willing, @TeamBattleaxe, I could take a stab on Yan (I'm still conflicted on whether to set up shop in Raia or Davai, though), since this lack of firm establishment in West Davai could spell things for *very* interesting possibilities

That's absolutely fine, I welcome you're interest in the region. It's clearly somewhere on the map that needs a lot of attention and we need a clear definable idea of what Yan (if it keeps that name) is. Outside Anaria, West Davai is probably the best place to start developing the rest of the map!

You can work on a new concept for the nation from ground up if you like. The only aspect I would like input on is the shared ancient historical migrations of West Davai. I think I clarified the sequence of those events on the Yan page and the Sriaav and Samzayid ethnic pages.

By Keija's Hand! Kamura Shapes the World!
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01-20-2020, 06:27 PM
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RE: The West Davai Setting
I'm currently working over some calibrations to Kamura which will change it's character somewhat. I'm thinking about implementing a language shift away from the current conlang to something with an Ainu base and some other influences, parhaps Korean or Siberian etc.

Also I'd like to go ahead and integrate the Reach into Kamura as a dominion and develop it from there. Aspects of the government and politics of Kamura may change and I'll expand on Kamuran Celestialism.

Hopefully if I've time, the prior stuff will take up quite a lot, I'll work on the Istanian Plan and relations with other nations in the Shangti and Davai!

By Keija's Hand! Kamura Shapes the World!
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01-21-2020, 03:24 PM
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RE: The West Davai Setting
Well there's no RP or current geopolitical events connected to Kamura's lay-out yet, so there's plenty of room to tweak.

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02-15-2020, 11:44 PM
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RE: The West Davai Setting
Lately I've spent some time updating Kamura's language and have done some beginner level conlanging. Take a look at the changes I made here:

http://www.worldofgotha.com/wiki/index.p...le=Kamuran

http://www.worldofgotha.com/wiki/index.p...d_Politics

I've embarked on this project with the help of a conlanging app called Vulgar, you can take a look at that here:

https://www.vulgarlang.com/how-it-works/

Thought I'd give you an update on what I been doing creativity wise!

By Keija's Hand! Kamura Shapes the World!
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02-16-2020, 12:12 PM
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RE: The West Davai Setting
This is all fantastic work! I love the revamped Kamuran language. I hadn't heard of the Altaic language hypothesis before; definitely an interesting concept even if it is widely rejected by linguists. But that certainly doesn't stop us from using it in Gotha! The only issue I have is that with over 160 million people speaking it across presumably disparate island groups and around the periphery of the Shangti, large linguistic divergences would be an inevitability.

Also, your revamped government and politics section is really cool - I'm actually quite inspired by it, having reread it! I would love to write a story line with you about the Anisoran ambassador at the Khatun's court or something like that. You've created a really rich political culture, and I'd love to explore it!

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02-16-2020, 03:51 PM
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RE: The West Davai Setting
It's cool to see this area of Gotha fleshing out and gaining more depth. It will be fun to see this with increasing interactions with Anarian countries. Smile

I am in awe of the language depth of several players here. I'm challenged enough using an existing language with Internet help. I don't think I could ever try developing a whole conlang! Kudos to you on all the recent work on Kamura and its language, culture, etc.
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02-16-2020, 11:20 PM
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RE: The West Davai Setting
(02-16-2020 12:12 PM)August Dux Wrote:  The only issue I have is that with over 160 million people speaking it across presumably disparate island groups and around the periphery of the Shangti, large linguistic divergences would be an inevitability.

The language wiki says Kamuran has an estimate of around 90 million. The population of the Empire sits at around 81 million as of now and would account for most native speakers. Over the centuries Kamuran speaking communities would have settled along coasts an rivers in Kisaga, Maritime Davai and parts of Altaia too.

You're about Kamuran geography encouraging a divergence between dialects. I've been thinking about this in some depth and recall some very informative and inspiring worldbuilding videos on Youtube. From this I've determined that the most standard dialect continuum of Kamuran will be found spanning from north to south on the islands of Ikhisa and Hanhara with the southern Senokan dialects being somewhat similar due to being relatively nearby to the Capital. The most divergent dialect would on Kenhara to the west of Ikhisa, settled early on by Sriaav, it diverged early and Kenharan would become a sister language to Kamuran.

In Altaia the Sriaav settlement date back up to 700 years of a meaningful size but there has been repeated period of migration creating several substratum of dialectical influences and borrowing from Altaian and Xianic vocabularies on top of this. Hwando, an influential minority language in the empire (RW Korean) has influenced dialects in regions where the Samzayid presence has been significant.

I probably won't have anywhere near enough time to flesh all this out in it's full spender! I'm already moving focus towards elaborating on Kamuran religion and philosophy which evidently shapes the Kamuran political culture significantly.

By Keija's Hand! Kamura Shapes the World!
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02-16-2020, 11:31 PM
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RE: The West Davai Setting
(02-16-2020 03:51 PM)jph2 Wrote:  It's cool to see this area of Gotha fleshing out and gaining more depth. It will be fun to see this with increasing interactions with Anarian countries. Smile

It's not been lost on me that there is apparently an estimated half a million Celestialists in Stachelort! I don't how realistic that figure would be but a community that size hints at some Sriaav presence of a kind. The nation's position as a banking hub, it's diplomatic openness and location would make it an ideal place for Kamurans to put down roots. No doubt some Anarians in the area, especially given the upheavals of recent times, would go about some spiritual seeking and embrace ideas of a Davaian character...

Some of the more lassez-faire factions in Kamura are also still wanting to bankroll that Emporium in Istania. Given the political turmoil going on there and those pesky Anarchists the country might prove a quagmire that needs extra funding to navigate through!

By Keija's Hand! Kamura Shapes the World!
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02-17-2020, 11:41 PM
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RE: The West Davai Setting
(02-16-2020 11:31 PM)TeamBattleaxe Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 03:51 PM)jph2 Wrote:  It's cool to see this area of Gotha fleshing out and gaining more depth. It will be fun to see this with increasing interactions with Anarian countries. Smile

It's not been lost on me that there is apparently an estimated half a million Celestialists in Stachelort! I don't how realistic that figure would be but a community that size hints at some Sriaav presence of a kind. The nation's position as a banking hub, it's diplomatic openness and location would make it an ideal place for Kamurans to put down roots. No doubt some Anarians in the area, especially given the upheavals of recent times, would go about some spiritual seeking and embrace ideas of a Davaian character...

Some of the more lassez-faire factions in Kamura are also still wanting to bankroll that Emporium in Istania. Given the political turmoil going on there and those pesky Anarchists the country might prove a quagmire that needs extra funding to navigate through!
The half mil number is closer to 400k or about 1.4% of the population. That may be a bit high, as you say, but I came up with it based on considerations of trade between Kamura and Stachelort. That would have to presume some degree of trade before the Wars, I think. Is this possible or likely? It may also have some basis in Stachelort having been on the side opposing the central Anarian powers during both the Tandem and Pan-Anarian Wars, thus more aligned with Kamuran concerns? My other thought was if the number of Stachelortan Celestians is much smaller, it wouldn't reflect in the wiki article.

As I see it, Kamuran interests in Stachelort as a foothold into Anaria would come from the east from around either Altaia to the north or D'Runia to the south. If the former, most of the Celestians would be concentrated in eastern Stachelort. Otherwise, they'd be in the southwest in the most populous and developed marches. This makes sense as a likely place for Sriaav immigration for jobs and such. These folks would fit into the 3.1% of other ethnicities.

Central Anarian interference in Istania's affairs is not well-received in Stachelort. But the country is not rich and suffered substantial losses during the Tandem and Pan-Anarian Wars, making it reluctant to taken any direction action in response. That said, the bankers are always looking to make money and they'll loan money with a likely good return to just about anyone for just about anything...
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